Rustoleum Custom Colors??

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  1. IndyPUP

    IndyPUP Member

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    Maybe someone who works at a paint store or in a paint department can help me out...

    I'm getting ready to paint the exterior my 88 Starcraft and have a question about paint.

    I would like to use the Rustoleum Professional Enamel that can be bought by the gallon at Lowe's/Menards/H.D. etc.

    Here's the catch...I want to match the Red of my MINI Cooper (my TV). This camper is going to NC at Fontana (Tail of the Dragon) in May and the MINI crowd will love the camper all painted up like my car.

    The Rustoleum comes in a couple different Reds, none of which really match. I noticed the other day that there is a Red Tint Base in the Rustoleum which can be mixed at the paint counter into about 5 or 6 different shades of Red, but are they able to custom mix it like they can with wall paint using their little computer matching system? I have a tow hook plug off of the bumper that I can carry in to the store for matching, but I don't know if they can use their machine to custom match or just do these 5 or 6 specific Rustoleum colors.

    Anyone work at a paint counter or have experience with this?

    Alternatively, can anyone recommend another type/brand of paint that would be good quality and suitable for the exterior aluminum? I really don't want to use latex house paint....the previous owner did that on parts of the camper and it's just a mess. For instance, does Sherwin Williams or someone like that have an oil based enamel that would be good for this application? The big box stores just don't carry oil-based paint nowadays except for Rustoleum.

    Thanks for your help!
     
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    Why not get paint from the Mini dealer? If you are considering using an enamel (gloss I presume) every flaw in the body will stand out. Especially with red. It shows flaws almost as well as black. White doesn't do that as much. How about a nice new clean white paint job with red graphics or stripes? You can name it "The Mini Behind"!
    I dunno - anyone else?

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    We painted our 79 Starcraft Venture last year with Valspar Premium Interior/Exterior high gloss enamel. It's not oil based and is soap and water clean up. I know you want oil based because it does have a good long-lasting track record so I'm just throwing this in the mix in case you can't get custom-mixed Rustoleum like you want. The Valspar was rolled and brushed on after prepping with Scotch Brite pads. The paint flowed well and there are no brush or roll marks. The camper sits outside all year and still looks as good as the day it was painted. Road grime cleans off with soapy water and a sponge with no problem, and the gloss finish still looks super. I do hope you're able to get your custom color in SOME kind of decent paint for your camper.
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  4. IndyPUP

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    Thanks for the help guys.

    I hadn't really considered getting paint from the dealer, mainly because I don't want to deal with auto paint....and besides, anything from the MINI dealer is about 10 times more expensive than it should be. That's a good thought on the white with Red stripes, though. I hadn't really thought about that.

    I haven't totally given up on latex based enamel, just kind of had it in my head that I wanted to stick with oil based. My concern is with fading. The red I am wanting is pretty much a true red, not a maroon or dark red and I think the latex based paint may tend to fade quickly. I'd end up with a pink trailer and we don't want that!! I may call up Sherwin Williams today and ask what they can do for me.

    btw, your PUP looks great Tekboy46!

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    Have you tried checking into getting paint from an automotive parts store like Bumper to Bumper, Checker, Napa,etc. ? They should be able to mix paint to match for you, although it may be a bit more costly than Rustoleum.
     
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    I know at my local auto paint store they told me one time that they could mix the paint to match an old truck I used to have and they could put it in a rattle can. So what I was thinking was like Tekboy46, paint it white then get the rattle can and do a pin stripe. This may not work though, I read somewhere that auto paint won't stick to rustoleum. I don't know the truth about that though, seems if you prep the area by sanding and washing it there wouldn't be a problem. Not sure. Does anyone else know?

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    Look around for an exterior enamel called
    One-shot. We used to use it on exterior signs. Works great on aluminum and is very good at self leveling (hiding bad spots). Comes in a variety of colors. Probably could be found at a local paint supplier.
    http://www.1shot.com/home.html

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    Thanks for all the input everyone! I will check into the auto paint, although I might be getting into more money than I had originally hoped to spend on it if I got that route. I got the camper for $500 and really just wanted to paint it with a roller....I'm not totally opposed to the auto paint, though.

    I will check into the one-shot paint. I think we have a can of silver down in the basement....left there by the previous owner.

    Thanks for all the tips! I'll keep you posted.

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    I just saw this - or would have answered sooner -

    I work in the paint Dept at Menards. Been there a month after completeing their management training program, and I LOVE it. FUN! One of my favorite parts of the job is the challenged of 'tweaking' a color for a customer, and I've gotten pretty good at it!

    The reason you can't get custom colors from Rustoleum (in their metal line paints) is that they don't give us the formulas for custom matching. However, I will look into it for you when I'm back at work tomorrow - there may be an answer. My co-workers and I have become pretty creative in matching colors, and I'll see if we can't come up with a solution for you.

    Another option is to look at Menards 'Conco' paint line - the yellow and black cans? This is our contractor's line of paint - but unlike most 'contractor' paints - it's really good paint. (and a good price, too!) It's made by Sherwin Williams, and Menards is the only company that Sherwin Williams licensed to carry it in the Midwest.

    Conco has a commercial/utility line for metals (the 5000, 6000, 7000 series, the numbers denote finish, I think) that has alot of color choices for metals and is what we use & recommend on our post-frame steel buildings that Menards is well-known for. I believe these can be color matched, as well. They have rust inhibiting and UV protection qualities and can be used for steel and aluminum - should be great for a camper body. I think they come in flat, satin and glossy finish.

    However, REDS are always tricky - here's why:

    Most 'tint bases' are all the same paint formula - but the amount in the can differs, to allow space for adding more pigment to the can. a 'Base A' gallon container might have room to add 6 oz of colorant and is used for most pastel colors, tans, off whites; where a 'Base C' in the same brand is exactly the same white paint, but has less paint in the can so we can add 8-10 oz of colorant for deep blues, greens, grays and browns. A 'Base D' has even more room in the can...

    Reds can be very hard to match, as they are a dark color and take ALOT of pigment to make them true 'reds' and not dark pink or too brown. Most paints that are tinted to the true red and darker red tones, have us start with a 'Red base'. This is a tint base that comes from the factory with lots of red coloring in it to start with, and we STILL have to add 8-10 oz of pigment to get your shade of red. If there is a 'RED BASE' available in rustoleum, as you say, I may be able to come up with some suggestions for you.
    Also, it is very strongly recommended that if you paint anything RED, that you use a RED PRIMER or dark color primer as a first coat. this will help you get a truer shade of red in your finish coat, and make your topcoat color have more depth and saturation.

    If you can, get a color sample of your red car - maybe from a brochure? and bring it in to be color matched. Magazine pictures don't work well, as they are pixelated and get varied readings - they're not solid. We need a solid-color sample about the diameter of a Quarter and small enough to hold up to the reader (we can match off anything that will fit flat against the reader eye, but it has to cover the light hole to get a good reading and we have to be able to hold it steadily in place - so don't bring us a rounded rear-view mirror <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Wink"> or the whole car door <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_eek.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Eek">) Something between a business card and a deck of cards is great!

    Let me see what I can find out for you.... I'll be back Sun or Mon with more info....

    PS - is there more than one "Mini Cooper Red"? If I can find a sample around here, I'll try to get figure out a 'formula' for you - in case the store near you doesn't enjoy playing the computer system as much as I and my co-workers do!

    Laura

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    IndyPUP check with a local auto body paint shop they can color match you mini color exactly, that's what they do. Auto paint will blow your budget most likely if you have one. The auto paint can be a little more problematic to work with. If you are using this on aluminum I beleave you will get your best adheasion with a zinc primer,it will be a light green color, it just grabs aluminum better. Check with the auto body paint store and pick their brains.<img src=../Images/flags/us.gif border=0 align=middle alt="United States">

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  11. IndyPUP

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    Thanks again guys for the help.

    I think I've already decided that I'm going to avoid the auto paint route simply because I don't want to hassle with spraying it on, for one....and I want to keep the price down. It doesn't make alot of sense to me to spend hundreds of dollars on a paint job for a camper I paid $500 for.

    Scoutermom: I do have a small piece of the car that I can bring in to color match...it's a little cover that goes over the tow hook receiver. About the size of a half- dollar or a bit bigger. I stopped in Menards yesterday to ask the paint guys about the Rustoleum reds...they told me what you did....that they only can mix the Rustoleum shades (I think there are 6 or 8). One of them looks to be pretty close, but I surmise that from looking at the cardboard display in the paint aisle and I'm not very trusting of that card. I thought I had found a match on one of the rustoleum paint can lids....but the paint was nothing like the lid. Maybe I need to just have a small can mixed to try it.

    I did stop by Sherwin Williams the other day and they have an oil-based enamel that they said they could color match with no problem. It is pretty expensive for a gallon, though....around $50, but I don't seem to have too many options here.

    btw, there are a few red shades that MINIs come in....mine is called Chili Red (basically bright, true red).

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    I wish you lived in Indiana, Scoutermom. I could have you help me out! The guys at Menards around here don't seem to have much of a clue. Sounds like you know what you are doing, that's for sure!

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    If you can find a good industrial enamel that has a clear base you should be able to match the Red color on the mini. The tints we use for industrial wood finishs to make a similar red are QR,QV and UO. These are quindo red, quindo violet and orange. We use the 844 tints that also are used for industrial enamels. The red in question should be able to be match fairly well.

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    In some strange way I envy all you folks who see colors in their true tint. Myself I am color-blind in reds and greens, I've heard 10% of the male population has this malady, a little less for women. I can still see the red fire trucks go by, but they are different from what the rest of you all see. All in all I'm still not missing much, except for the true green of my Lady's eyes. Good luck with your color matching!

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    IndyPUP -

    Got your answer -

    <font color=red>CONCO paints </font id=red> -(Menards/ sherwin williams house brand) will give you a <font color=red>high gloss CUSTOM COLOR MATCH paint </font id=red> in their DTM (Direct to Metals) line for $26.97 to $28.97 per gallon, depending on whether you want Acrylic (water based) or Alkyd (oil based) paint.

    So you can get your Mini-cooper <font color=red>"Chili Red" </font id=red> color matched for a reasonable price - how's that for a great deal? (and you don't need any special primer coat either - that's why it's called 'Direct to Metal' - just a clean finish on the camper to start.

    Sometimes the part-times in the store may not be as aware of what can be done with the Conco paints - they are rather confusing as the cans all look the same and differ only by number, (their 'code' for finishes and bases is rather confusing) where the house paints are more obvious, so when you go in, ask for the department manager or Assistant, if they seem confused. Or, they can call my store (Carpentersville #3148) , if they don't know how to color match it, and ask for Dan, Ashley or Laura - one of us is always 'on duty' in the dept and can walk them thru it if need be.

    who markets Mini-coopers? BMW? if I could get something from a dealer around here with the proper color, I could probably color match it myself and e-mail you the 'formula' to have made up at your Menards.

    My only 'fee' would be that you post a great photo on here of your PUP and Mini-Cooper when you're done - I'm sure we ALL want to see this bright red Duo when it's done! LOL!

    Let me know how it works out for you! or if I can be of any further help. my e-mail address is on my profile, feel free to e-mail me if you have questions.

    Laura

    PS - you might want to look into 'InsulaAdd" insulation additive we have, if you are going to paint the roof top red, too. It's a dry additive to ANY paint, that gives the paint insulating properties. It's a NASA developed additive of ceramic reflective spheres and supposed to give an additonal 20% heat reflecting value. It doesn't change the color at all, but does make the paint actually part of your insualtion. If you make your roof red, it will look 'cool' but will absorb more heat from the sun, making your camper hotter inside - so the insuladd should counter-act that effect. They recommend two coats for optimum insualtion value. You probably wouldn't need to add it to the body, but if your camper roof is going to be in the sun, it could make a BIG difference!

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    Scoutermom: You are simply the best! Thanks so much for checking for me.

    Ironically, I looked on the Conco website today while at work (the popupportal is blocked at work though for some reason, unfortunately...). Anyway...I clicked on the e-mail link for one of the field reps for Conco and shot him an e-mail. he e-mailed back and basically told me exactly what you just told me. He said that there were truck stops in the area using this water based DTM paint to paint the exterior structures and it is great stuff. I stopped at Menards by my house (it is the ghetto Menards...never get anyone to help you at this particular one) and they did have the paint, although there was no deep tone base on the shelf, so I didn't bother trying to find someone to help. There's another store up by work that I'm sure I'll have better luck with. I have a small piece of the car that is pretty much flat that I think they can use to match.

    MINIs are made by BMW and the particular color in question is called "Chili Red". Let me see if they can color match before you go through all the trouble of finding it. I have a feeling they probably can.

    As far as the roof, I'm planning to coat it with white elastomeric roof coating (already bought it...waiting for a warmer day to apply). So, the trailer will be Red on bottom and white on top, just like the MINI!

    Again, thanks so much for the valuable help!! I definitely will post a pic when I get it painted.

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    Update...

    Well, the paint saga continues. I went to Menards today will the intention of having the paint department custom mix a can of the Conco DTM Acrylic Gloss for me matching my sample. I went to the counter (not at the ghetto Menards this time...) and made my request. The paint guy took one look at my sample and said that there was no way he could match it. He said that because of the gloss of the auto paint and the depth of the red, it would never come out right and told me to just pick a color out of the catalog that matched. Well, there are no colors in the Conco catalog that are even close to a red except for Safety red...and it just isn't dark enough.

    I picked up a few samples of red swatches from Sherwin Williams when I was there last week and there is one that is basically a perfect match....close enough. I think i'm just going to bite the bullet and head over there tomorrow and have them mix me up a gallon. I hadn't even considered an acrylic enamel before and looked at oil only, so maybe they have something comparable to the Conco DTM (seeing that they are the same company) and it will be somewhat cheaper than the oil based enamel I looked at before.

    I'll keep you posted. Thanks again, Scoutermom, for all your help. Even though I don't think I'll end up using what you recommended, knowing that this type of paint exists was helpful and I will look for something comparable at SW.

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    Indy -

    If there is a paint swatch or sample from the Sherwin Williams store that was close, Menards can use that paint swatch (instead of your shiny piece of the car) to color match using the Conco paint.

    I'm just sorry (and dissapointed) that whoever you spoke to at the Menards near you would not even ATTEMPT to match your paint. The machine may have problems reading a shiny finish - I have to be honest and say I haven't tried to match anything with a high gloss finish, myself. But I would TRY to find a solution or alternative for ANY customer.

    This is one of my pet peeves about working in retail. As a customer myself, I don't ask for or expect perfection - but I DO expect a service person to make an honest attempt - to TRY.

    The computers have pre- programmed into them the formulas for mixing, say, a Behr color swatch into a Dutch Boy paint, even though we don't carry Behr paints. They even have 'old' paint names and companies pre- programmed. If they don't show up - we can color match the samples themselves.

    For example, the other day, a man brought in two Benjaman Moore colors his wife picked out in another store, ( a pink and a purple for their daughter's room) and wanted me to make those colors in the Dutch boy 'Kid's Room' paint - the pink cross referenced just fine - I pulled up the benjamin moore list, put in the pink's number - no problem - the formula popped right up. But the purple just would NOT come up - not by the name, or number, or by trying alternate spellings of the name, even with me 'guessing' that maybe it was a Behr sample, not a BenMoore sample. So I simply put the card into the color matcher, and it created a formula for me. perfect match. We don't have any Sherwin Williams stores near us - so I've never run across a customer with a SW color request - but I bet they're in the system.

    I've had times that the color was NOT a perfect match, either - and the computers even have a program for tellin us what pigments to add until it does match. Or, with practice, you can add fractions of pigment manually to get the right color. Admitedly, I seem to have a natural talent for seeing nuances of color and guessing what tints will correct a color, which is probably why I find find that part of the job fun and challenging - while some people don't.

    It's true that sometimes, it just isn't possible to 'fix' a can of paint - mostly because the 'correction' would require more pigment than there is space left in the can. Sometimes we've attempted to 'correct' a color so many times, that there are a confusing number of 'pigment added' labels, or that the color goes too far off, and it's better to just start over. I've seen only once that we've told a customer (after trying to fix his Venetian plaster color multiple times over a few days) that it was impossible to get the
    color and consistency he wanted. And less than a handfull of times where the CUSTOMER decided that our attempts were 'close enough' and called it quits.

    So I find it really dissapointing and embarrassing that my Menards co-worker in the stores near you would not even attempt to offer you better choices or alternatives.

    <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Disapprove">Our boss, Larry Menard, would be real dissapointed, too! <img src=../Images/icons/icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle alt="Blush">

    Let me know how you make out with Sherwin Williams -

    and if all they have is that $50 stuff - e-mail me the 'name' of the matching Sherwin Williams color, and any numbers on the color swatch, and the town your Menards is in, and <b>I'll </b> get you a formula for the Conco mix and e-mail it directly to the Menards store near you.

    Laura

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    Well, here is the latest update...

    I went to Sherwin Williams yesterday after work and asked them what they could do for me. I took in the little piece from my car to match and also gave them the color sample from their collection that I thought matched pretty closely. They suggested an Alkyd based Industrial Enamel and started with a Safety Red base and went from there. After mixing and experimenting for about a half hour, they asked if they could work on it until the next day when I could return after work again (which I thought was quite nice of them to do). I returned today and they had mixed a batch that was pretty darn close...not perfect, but pretty good.

    Not only that, I told the people at the store that I paint in the summers for a second job (I'm a school teacher) and they set me up with a contractor account so that I can get a discount on the paints I use.

    Now that spring break has started for me as of tomorrow, it's raining here in Indiana of course! I think it's supposed to be a bit cooler next week, but hopefully I will have a good couple of days where I can paint the red on the trailer. I primed the outside and coated the roof with the white coating already.

    Will post pics when I get the painting done.

    Thanks again for all your help!

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    Sounds like Sherwin Williams understand 'customer service"!

    I'm glad yu got your paint color, and I look forward to seeing your photos when it's done.

    Hey, since your MiniCooper and Pup are both going to be 'Chili red' - maybe you should get a string of 'Chili Pepper' Tacky lights to go with it?

    http://www.partylights.com/The-Insiders-Guide/College-Life/35-Light-Red-Peppers

    it sure would make a cute theme for your PUP! and they'd look great outside your PUP at night - LOL!

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    Ha! Those lights would be perfect!

    Well, I painted the PUP two days ago. The paint went on beautifully. I hadn't used oil based paint forever and forgot how smooth it goes on....a pain to clean up, though. It's glossy and beautiful. I will get a pic soon once the lights are all installed. Also....IT'S SNOWING RIGHT NOW! arghhhh!

    Pics soon!

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